HIGH SPEED FRAUD

What will Scotland get from investing its share of UK money in the billions required for the high speed link between London and Birmingham?

How many Scots travel regularly between London and Birmingham?

25 Responses to “HIGH SPEED FRAUD”

  1. Alan Coventry Says:

    Don’t forget illegal wars, the cross London rail link, extending the London Underground, the Channel Tunnel, the M25 and oh, of course the Olympics.

  2. haggis and chips Says:

    Scottish parliament building, initially thought likely to cost around £50m, it ended up costing £414m. How many scottish families could have been housed for that ?.

  3. haggis and chips Says:

    “HIGH SPEED FRAUD”
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/scotlandengland-maritime-boundaries/

  4. Chris Says:

    The difference with the Parliament building fiasco and the rail link is that we in Scotland have the power to oust those responsible for the former, as many subsequently were.

  5. Alan Coventry Says:

    H n C
    Agree with you re my omission of the Scottish Parliamnet building - the great vanity project of Donald Dewar, who would rather spend millions on this than adapt the old Royal High School building, simply because the RHS was the suggestion of the SNP, the party whose suggestions the Labour Party are unable to stomach, no matter how plausible and beneficial they may be.

  6. haggis and chips Says:

    “Royal High School building, simply because the RHS was the suggestion of the SNP”

    The SNP very soon came around to give their full support though, didn`t they!. Was it not one Linda Fabiani MSP/SNP that became a leading light and defender in the building of the monstrosity. The ONLY party that was against it was the SSP.

  7. haggis and chips Says:

    “Donald Dewar”, the socialist millionaire, truth be known perhaps the word multi should go before millionaire in Dewar`s case!, there again, we will never know, these off-shore accounts are hard to trace!.

  8. Kinghob Says:

    The railway link between London and Birmingham by, (maybe-perhaps), the year 2026 was launched as a piece of banal Southern England news to ensure that not all the discussions were scrutinising and dominated by the Independence referendum. It played to a packed house.

    Look at the marked contrast when Moore the Tory/libdem mouthpiece eventually described “The biggest constitutional question to face the uk for 300 years”- that played to an MWP audience of, er, 57 souls and isn’t going to happen in 2026 but in 2014.

    The Westminster unionist coalition, including of course the infamous labour party, want it to be “sooner” but most of them couldn’t be arsed hanging around a little while longer to listen to what was quite deluded Westminster mischief making about legality over a referendum that the press are joining in with (at the moment) pretending it is a realistic stance from a constitutional perspective.

    We will see about that.

    I have not a bit of interest in decreasing the train time between London and Birmingham, an more than a labour Tory or libdem MWP interested in having high speed rail in Scotland which the blessed union would deliver in about 2126 if ever let’s be a bit more honest on that.

  9. Douglas T Says:

    How many travel from London to Glasgow? At the end of this centuary the oil will be running out. What eletricaly powered intercity transport system will we use then?

  10. Dougie Says:

    Having spent some time in both cities I’d imagine that there would be a very lively market for an express to somewhere, anywhere, else.

  11. Goy Says:

    An independent Scotland needs a strategic hop, skip and jump transport policy to counter what could be the economic vulnerability of the southern land border being bottlenecked - the breakup my not be amicable and Scotland should plan for this.

  12. haggis and chips Says:

    I wonder if anyone has thought that buying up the now liquidated Sea France ferry company would save Scotland a fortune in transferring the ferries to operate out of Edinburgh and Aberdeen. May work out a lot cheaper then having to build new ones if Scotland goes independent ?. Many in France would want to help Scotland. At the moment England has a monopoly in UK ferry operations to europe!.

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  16. shoodybong Says:

    @haggis&chips “Many in France would want to help Scotland”… Who the f do you think you are? Allan Breck Stuart? This is 2012 not 1712! France would look after itself first if it isn’t totally in the purse of Germany by then!

  17. haggis and chips Says:

    shoodybong, many in France like the scots, don`t like the english though!, of course not all, but many. I remember reading just a few years ago that one french couple filled up their tank before leaving France so they didn`t have to stop in England on their way to holiday in Scotland.

    By the way, “Allan Breck Stuart” although based on a person that exsited, is for the most part made into a romantic literary hero by Sir Walter Scott in order to sell his book, I am sorry to tell you it is historical fiction.

  18. haggis and chips Says:

    I meant Robert Louis Stevenson not “Sir Walter Scott”, I was thinking off Sir Walter Scott who wrote Rob Roy. I don`t read a lot of fiction!, never have.

  19. Hoodytwoshin Says:

    Shoodybong is right. Sorry to burst your bubble ‘haggis and chips’, but whilst the Scots celebrate the Auld Alliance but once a year on their trip to Disneyland with their anti-English ‘Ecosse’ stickers proudly displayed, most French people have never heard of the Auld Alliance, and those who have couldn’t give a mélanger. If it wasn’t so pathetic, it would be laughable. To many Scots the idea of displaying a GB sticker would be like a Rangers fan wearing green. If it wasn’t so pathetic, it would be laughable. Man up you Scots - and don’t be surprised when your sticker doesn’t afford you favourable treatment when you get to the other side!

  20. Hoodytwoshin Says:

    And while I’m on my high horse…I came to this blog via Scottish Review where I’ve just read “There is more racial abuse towards us in the English papers than we would ever think of using towards England.” This is utter nonsense. I am a Glaswegian who has lived in London for 12 years. I visit Scotland at least once a year, and am dismayed to read anti-English sentiment in Scottish newspapers evey time I’m back. I honestly thought that our proud nation was beyond that, but it is petty jealousy, not least because Scots are largely ignored in London. Not ignored in a malicious way, but ignored as we are integrated into the multi-national gallimaufry that makes up the capital.

  21. Frewtkayke Says:

    Just a wee comment as someone who frequently travels Glasgow to Birmingham and sees the poverty and deprivation of many areas in the north of England. London is NOT England. It is a beautiful city with wealth and abundance but it is not right that other areas are neglected in favour of funding the rich. Scotland will do well to become free of London rather than England. The fact is that wealthy London is largely ignored in Scotland and largely resented by the rest of the UK, as the recent riots in less privileged areas of London and so many other English cities have shown. Londoners live well but, like their government, they are largely immune to the problems hitting other areas due to the old boy network of control in Westminster. The rich looking after the rich is how I see it. And in what way is Ecosse anti-English? You must be joking, Hoodytwoshin.

  22. haggis and chips Says:

    Hoodytwoshin, I am NOT “sorry to burst your bubble”. My first comment was not aimed in anyway at “anti-english” sentiment, what I was thinking when I wrote “Many in France would want to help Scotland” was the FACT that if “Scotland goes independent” the french along with many others would want to help Scotland as Scotland would make a good member of the EU after going independent, hence the topic of my post on “buying up the now liquidated Sea France ferry company”. England it seems does not want to play a big part within the EU. shoodybong took it to mean something else!, which I find interesting in itself!, what made shoodybong and you thought/think something else ?, could it be that you both knew that the something else was also the case, I think so!. That I pointed out in my follow up post to shoodybong was agreeing that (sadly) there is “anti-english” sentiment all around the world!, that is also sadly a FACT.

  23. Craig W Says:

    High speed rail. This will only benefit London, not Birmingham. Travellers in the Midlands will be expected to make the day trip to London for business meetings (indeed this already happens). It will not happen in the other direction. What Londoner would travel to Birmingham for a business trip? All that high speed rail will do is increase London’s sphere of influence further beyond the home counties. In addition there are plenty of tory-voting folk in the Chilterns hopping mad at the thought of their rural idyll being spoilt.

    If the government wants to introduce high speed rail, it would be better to ignore the first phase of the plan, and proceed directly to the second phase, linking Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham.

  24. Duncan B Says:

    Its nice to see yet more reasoned debate by the ABE’s on this website. Really some of you need to grow up. The Capital of the UK is London it will therefore have the best transport links.

    To burst a few bubbles here their won’t be any high speed link North of Manchester and its very doubtful that section will be built. Simply no economic reason to do it. Its got stuff all to do with being anti-Scottish few of you have got very short memories (Blair Brown Darling and Co, all Scots) didn’t see a need for it either.

    this constant crap about national identity you spout is fundementally born out of a percieved view that you have been hard done by. To keep rolling events of 250 years ago merely confirms this. The UK is a nation within it we have regions a Yorkshire man is no different to you in the fact that he is not from London and their percieved views are gebnrally the same as yours. 1605 is a long time ago and most soverign nations that exist now didn’t then. Believe the SNP lies if yyou want about a better of indepedant Scotland but trust me when i say the you will reap what you sow and this crop is sown on very thin soil.

    Go look at Ireland and see how they are doing as an independant nation in hock up to their eyeballs to UK banks. You seriously beileve you would be any different?

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